That’s what the Geek Squad guy at Best Buy told me this morning, anyway.
I was at the counter with Martin’s laptop, hoping that his difficulty connecting to our wireless network might have an easy (read cheap) fix. I had a fighting chance, I thought, since the woman behind the counter and I go to the same church and I trusted her to give me it to me straight. A guy in his early 20s stopped and looking over my friend’s shoulder as I described the problem.
Here’s how she introduced us…
“This is Joan–she and I go to church together.” I smiled and reached out to shake his hand.
“And this is John (not his real name), he’s an atheist.”
This may have been the first time in my life I had ever been introduced in this way. It was a little strange and totally random but, since I had spent more of my life as an atheist than I have as a churchgoer, her outting John as an atheist didn’t phase me a bit.
“I was an atheist for many years,” I told him, hoping that a little small talk to take the edge off of the otherwise awkward exchange. I expected him to respond with an equally random bit of nothing and be on his way, but instead he said matter of factly, “Then you weren’t really an atheist.”
Have you ever had one of those moments that you were completely surprised by your own response to something? This was one of those moments for me. I wasn’t really an atheist? I thought. What do you mean I wasn’t really an atheist. Before I knew it, I found myself defending my former atheism. “Actually, I was an atheist,” I told Geek Squad guy pleasantly, yet indignantly. I even provided him a dramatic and somewhat personal example of something I’d done when I was a kid that proved my former atheism which he promptly pooh-poohed.
If I go to church now, he told me calmly but emphatically, then I wasn’t a “real” atheist then.
He walked away and I got back to Martin’s computer, but I couldn’t stop thinking about this exchange. At first I focused on what I perceived to be his faulty logic. Of course I could be an atheist then and a theist (Christian) now, I thought.
But then I realized that his logic (or lack thereof) was not the most interesting or relevant part of our short conversation.
Why did I care whether or not Geek Squad guy believed that I had been an atheist in my 20s?
As I pondered (and continue to ponder) the question, one thing is clear to me. No matter how deep my desire to put relationships over being right or how many times I commit and recommit myself to pursuing dialog over debate, it is still incredibly easy for me to fall into a tit-for-tat over anything. And I mean anything.
No topic is too small or unimportant for me to fall into the trap of self-importance if I am not intentional about how I interact with the people around me.
Thanks for the reminder Geek Squad atheist-guy. I appreciate it.
August 1, 2008 at 7:30 pm
LOL. It’s interesting to see the tables turned on this one. On d-C, we constantly get Christians coming up and saying that we were never true Christians if we now claim to be apostates or de-converts.
Paul
August 1, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Hmm, quite ironic.
August 4, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Joan
“No matter how deep my desire to put relationships over being right or how many times I commit and recommit myself to pursuing dialog over debate, it is still incredibly easy for me to fall into a tit-for-tat over anything. And I mean anything.”
This stuck with me as I am quite the same way. I’m finding that I have come a long way this last year thanks to my husband, people in my church, and the Decons who all challange me to think, and when I do, I find I actually never know enough on a situation to be “right” to begin with.
This is great for me cause I like to learn new things (and new perspectives).
Ps, I’m still a christian, but I like to be on the D-C blog because I think it’s well put together and it challenges me. I haven’t found a christian blog that can challenge me in that way. I have found a church that does that so I am fortunate and thankful for the people there as well.
August 5, 2008 at 11:26 am
Thanks for stopping by Bobbi Jo.
Ps, I’m still a christian, but I like to be on the D-C blog because I think it’s well put together and it challenges me. I haven’t found a christian blog that can challenge me in that way. I have found a church that does that so I am fortunate and thankful for the people there as well.
I’m curious about the challenge portion of your post, specifically the notion that d-C challenges you in a way that Christian blogs do not. Would you mind sharing a little more about that? I am not familiar with too many Christian blogs, so I am not sure what you are encountering out there and how d-C meets a need that others do not.
August 7, 2008 at 11:48 am
Joan,
I love deep theological discussion, though I myself, am not well read in theology. (I’m trying!) I have a deep need to understand more of any topic, so I ask questions. Sometimes those (theological) questions haven’t been answered well enough for me and causes great disturbance in my life. I’m a “but why…” gal, and if I don’t get the why right away, it sits there hanging and I get fusterated. I have found a church that is great for honoring discusion of all sorts and I respect that about them, though, you can tell they’ve been versed in apologetics (and too much calvinism) to sometimes fully answer my questions. I find that the DC blog tends to ask the questions (and know more) than most christians and it gets me thinking.
I still get confused because I will hear something that seems logical from my church and something that seems logical from the DC blog, and then I have to really commit to finding out where I stand on that particuar question. It’s been interesting, but I feel my faith has grown (not in a way I would have expected) through continued discusion with both of these avenues.
I am liking your blog so far, so maybe I can add another christian blog to my list of people to discuss with. although, I’m not gonna claim to know much of anything, no matter how much research I do!
August 7, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Bobbi Jo: Thanks for the encouragement on the blog. I hope you continue to stop by and share your questions on this site as well, although I will warn you that I have found that my faith is anything but logical. Generally it is paradoxical–frequently as challenging to understand as it is to live. And yet, when I consider how it was to live on the other side of it, I prefer the uncertainty of my faith to the “certainty” of my former unbelief.
August 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm
“I prefer the uncertainty of my faith to the “certainty” of my former unbelief.”
That is interesting considering that most of the decons love the “certainty” they feel after leaving the faith. I know a lot of christians that will say “I can’t explain it, but…” and I fall into that sometimes where logically it would make more sense to think/not think a certain way and I can’t ever explain what motivates me to go towards the uncertain. But it is generally so rewarding when I follow that uncertain path. thats usually when I feel God’s presence in my life. It’s wierd when my heart and head clash on an issue. weirder still, is that I usually feel more at peace when I don’t get an answer to my reasoning right away. Like if I’ve been asking a question for a while and don’t get an answer I like, I’ll let it go, and as soon as I do, I feel at peace with the not knowing. I have a hard time giving up that controlling nature of just letting things be. This is probably God’s way of showing me what an idiot I am for not letting go and thinking I know better than He does. I heard a quote, “If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.”
August 9, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Hi all,
“I prefer the uncertainty of my unbelief to the “certainty” of my former faith.”
Bobbi Jo…I’d be one of those decons who would put that phrase as noted above.